Saturday, 1 March 2008

Shaming and psychological projection galore!

What happens when the woman proposes

Is proposing a man's job?

Check out the comments:

This makes me laugh - i feel sorry for you men as you have to keep telling yourselves that women are after your money, just to make yourselves feel big.


Furthermore statistics consistently show that marriage is bad for women financially (and in terms of our physical and mental health and happiness), and good for men in all these ways. So can we stop with this tired old meme that marriage is something women want and men have to be 'trapped' into. It simply isn't true. In my personal experience, it's the men who tend to be more keen on having the whole marriage-and-children package.


All this mumbo jumbo about women trying to lure guys into getting married: so you think your money is more attractive than you are?

Guys, get a bit more self-esteem! You might be more loveable than you think you are.


If you hate women and you're
not gay then what a very sad existence you must
lead. Your name says it all... Open your heart and
your mind and get a life!!!


The comments for articles on marriage always go the same way:

1. Men point out their intention of staying single because marriage only benefits women, women are invariably the ones who'll divorce a guy at the drop of a hat and take him for all he's worth,and that divorce (and now co-habitation) laws are a licence for women to financially fuck a man into oblivion.

2. Women accuse men of being cynical, claim 'not all women are goldiggers.'

3. Men point out they're not cynical, merely realists basing their opinions on experience of women's attitudes and behaviour, and by listening to men who've been divorced, and that, in fact, most women are indeed 'goldiggers' these days, or it's at least impossible to sort those who are from those who aren't.

4. Women sneer and claim marriage benefits men more than women, and allude to studies that are either bias, woefully out of date, or which just don't exist.

5. Men ask 'how do men benefit from slaving away to support a woman's early retirement and hobbies of shopping and watching telly?' and also sincerely ask why women, therefore, are the ones so keen on marriage, and men - even before feminism - aren't, if it's supposedly the case that men and not women benefit from marriage.

6. Women accuse men of being gay / insecure / misogynists / poorly endowed.

7. Men point out that this is merely shaming language, and try to steer the debate back to facts and logic.

8. Women accuse men of being hate-filled lunatics who are very sad and lonely, and, in case they didn't hear it the first time, are also in possession of very small willies.

9. Repeat 7 and 8 for a while.

10. Men get bored with the shaming language and go and play video games.

11. Women claim victory.

50 comments:

Anonymous said...

"Not in NuLab's Feminist Gulag.

The only way to avoid their biased Family Courts and the divorce rip-off industry is to join the "Marriage Strike"."

This sounds like your comment, Duncan. Your real name must be Chris, as indicated by the poster.

Chris said...

See my response (below - as posted on the Daily Telegraph's web page), in answer to their question - is it men's job to propose to women….


"Not in NuLab's Feminist Gulag.

The only way to avoid their biased Family Courts and the divorce rip-off industry is to join the "Marriage Strike".

It’s nice to see this getting past the feminist gatekeepers in the media, and out into mainstream society.

Good one eh?

Anonymous said...

I really enjoy reading your posts. You're very clever and humorous. I almost spat my beer out reading steps 7 to 11 whilst trying to contain my laughter.

I've been divorced and single for 10 yrs now and I'll happily never have another relationship with a woman for the rest of my life.

The woman whose comments you quoted is living in a dream world. All of the young women I know (my sisters, friends, work colleagues) are pining for a man to have babies with. They are mostly interested in having the babies though - not having a husband. So they're attitude is that they'll get pregnant and have the baby, and if things don't work out with the father, it's no big loss, because they'll just collect the child support & government benefits and move on to the next guy.

I know one woman who is so desperate that she has subscribed to 3 different dating agencies to find a man - and because she is so worried about not finding someone she is simultaneously researching IVF clinics and possible government finance for these treatments.

I really do sit back and laugh at all of this. I'll believe that woman's comments the day I see a fish riding a bicycle.

Anonymous said...

This is a very good web site which outlines the reasons men should stay single. Marriage has become only beneficial for women and must end as an institution.

http://www.dont-marry.com

Woman With An Opinion said...

Check out the comments:

"This makes me laugh - i feel sorry for you men as you have to keep telling yourselves that women are after your money, just to make yourselves feel big."

This is sooo true. I had a guy tell me recently "You're Not Getting A Rich Guy Here, I Know Most Women Want A Rich Guy..." I took great pride in telling him that I can make my own money, I didn't need his. Men really over inflate women's needs of them. The most annoying thing in the world is when men start talking about their "possessions" upon first meeting you. I think that some men hide behind their material possessions because they lack self-confidence.

Anonymous said...

“Furthermore statistics consistently show that marriage is bad for women financially (and in terms of our physical and mental health and happiness), and good for men in all these ways”.

Furthermore, liberally biased statistics consistently show that marriage is bad for women financially (and in terms of our physical and mental health and happiness), and good for men in all these ways.

“So can we stop with this tired old meme that marriage is something women want and men have to be 'trapped' into. It simply isn't true. In my personal experience, it's the men who tend to be more keen on having the whole marriage-and-children package”.

Of course the many thousands of bridal magazines attest to the fact that it is men who want to get married and have children more so than women?

And there you have it, man hating 101 at its finest!

Anonymous said...

The 11 Steps should be framed up and displayed wherever possible... like the Ten Commandments.

My solution is simpler - just ignore them. Do not even engage in debates with them. You would get better discourse with a wooden plank.

As for the 'men are the ones who want marriage and not women blah blah' retort from some broad... well... how many guys do you know actually bought and read (and collect!!!) BRIDAL MAGAZINES? Just ask the editors/publishers of those magazines - and ask them who their intended target readers are.

Shaming language, denial, deceit, projection. I will simply stick to Step 1/Final Step - Ignore. I have better things to do with my life - my money, time and energy.

Anonymous said...

Here's my answer to these wimmin':

I simply walk away.

I don't even listen to what they HAVE TO SAY, which irritates them even more!

It is a dream, girls. Marriage, it's what's not happening because even if you corner me, you'll find out very quickly that I'm not a suitable candidate in the first place (I'm not rich and handsome). Just like I said, it is a dream, girls, so dream on!

Hmh said...

Duncan - another fantastic post. The 11-step stages toward freedom indeed!

Just a thought I had the other day, about the whole women saying "You don't want me?? You must be gay" thing:

Up until the age of thirty - or partyburnoutbritney, which could be a lot earlier - there may actually be a grain of truth in it. That guys who are genuinely disinterested in a woman who is at the peak of her fertility quite possibly are gay. Although it's possible to have a raging boner for a woman and still be disgusted by her, as I know from unhappy experience. All provided that she still has a reasonably attractive body of course.

As a side note, I had a highly upsetting conversation with my father (I know who my Dad is!! and I see him on a regular basis). Anyway, he reckons I'd be much happier married to a nice girl and having kids. I tried to tell him my concerns about the whole deal... and he honestly thought the following was fair and natural:

- the primary caregiver automatically gets primary custody of the kids, as they should
- the absent parent pays for their upkeep, as they should
- that my financial situation will inevitably improve if I marry
- that most marriages are happy
- that relatively few marriages end in divorce, particuarly surprise divorces
- that the law will be applied fairly and evenly in the event of a divorce.

Now I know that the people who wrote the law have bent over backwards to be as fair as possible to everyone, because I've taken the time to read through it. I also know that the courts don't give a shit and have pretty much set a template for how they want things processed through the system. I'm also thoroughly aware of the damage that fake DV claims can cause and how difficult they can be to stop.

The trouble is, my father was courting in the sixties and married in the seventies. I honestly don't think he's aware of how much it has changed against men since he was in his twenties.

Anyone else got similar quiet family pressure?

Finally - nice one Chris. Get the term Marriage Strike out into the public arena and we're getting somewhere.

Anonymous said...

Everyone, DO NOT RESPOND TO 'WOMAN WITH AN OPINION'! She has polluted this board long enough with her fat ass. Just ignore her completely and she will go away.

Anonymous said...

To hmh,

If any man aged 13 - 100 is not attracted to a beautiful woman then I agree he is gay. But I think you misunderstand the "you must be gay" insult.

They're not saying "You won't have sex with me?! You must be gay!"

What they're saying is "You won't marry me, and give me a baby, and then look after me financially even after I divorce you?! You must be gay!"

WRT your father's comments, I would like to tell you my story. In my early twenties, I had a girl friend and we started off using condoms, then she went to the doctor to get the pill. She reassured me that we didn't need to use condoms anymore, and like many foolish young men, I went along with it. A month later she "accidentally" fell pregnant. She decided to have the baby, we got married, and soon after we separated and I started paying child support etc. Then a year later she wanted to get back together, and because I had maintained involvement with our baby, I agreed to try again. Well within a week she was trying to reassure me again that we didn't need to use condoms because she was on the pill. I told her that I was going to continue using condoms anyway and she burst into a fit of rage accusing me of not trusting her. I told her that I did trust her, but I didn't trust the pill after the last "accidental" pregnancy. Well she just lost it and threatened to put holes in the condoms with a pin etc. (I am not joking, she said this 60 seconds after accusing me of not trusting her). As you can guess we broke up again.

I have been paying 18% of my gross salary to my ex wife for 11 yrs now (I have 5 yrs to go. BTW the tax on that 18% is taken from my remaining 82% so I pay the tax on her 18% share). I usually get to see my son about once per fortnight (unless something comes up and it doesn't suit her that weekend).

WRT family putting on the pressure - my mum keeps asking me "so when are you going to find yourself a new girlfriend?" and I reply "if you know of any girls that don't want to get married and have children, then let me know!" This same question/answer has been recycled for 11 yrs - and in all that time she hasn't been able to suggest one woman that would be happy to have a relationship without marriage or children.

If I could go back knowing what I know now - my philosophy would be to go out and have as much sex as you want but always use a condom. But, if you really want to have children then be warned, the risk is greater than 50% that you will barely get to see your kids and that you will pay a large chunk of your salary to the lucky woman that you impregnate. To put this in perspective, would you flip a coin (50/50 chance) for $1,000? Well that's peanuts to me.

So far I have paid about $100,000 to my ex wife and I still have about $45,000 to go - and I hardly ever get to see my kid. I'm renting a small grotty flat and driving a bomb while she and her new partner have just bought a brand new luxurious 4 bedroom house and they each have a brand new 4WD.

Anonymous said...

In western women's mind the most romantic part of being married is cheating on her husband and divorcing them. Let's not forget that little part way in the future after the husband has long since forgotten about his former wife and he's old and grey, she's sitting in a nursing home in her final years since even her own offspring (and I say her own since men aren't part of her equation) won't have anything to do with her. The smile on my face is priceless right now. These women don't deserve even a sperm cell from a fertility clinic.

bunner said...

I, for one, have no interest in listening to a litany of bullshit from some screechbot who thinks everything on TeeVee must be true.

If you can't think for yourself and cultivate your own personality, why in God's name would I want to let you raise my kids or even shove my dick in you for the privilege of watching you, then, try and tack up the walls of my life with all of the baloney you bought into?

And you know... she has a point. Not ALL women ARE like that. But the fact that she spits out whatever clichés du jour are supposed to make any man who looks with derision at the minefield that is marriage, these days, feel like some posturing, insecure sitcom husband with a two inch dick who wishes he had a Corvette to "impress the girls with" tells me that she IS like that.

Anonymous said...

I've already said to my parents that I will never get married and never become a father (I'm thirty five).

They not only accepted this, but my mother said "I honestly can't blame you in this day and age", a sign of how disgusted they are with the changes in society.

Women these days are increasingly like caffeine hooked kids let loose in a sweet shop ... "Mine!! Mine!! Mine!!"

I count myself a very lucky guy in that I am content with my life as a bachelor.

There's only one thing women have to appeal to men, and that is when they drop their drawers. That commodity devalues both with time and with mileage.

phoenix said...

I don't even think the fuck and chuck method is worth it. It's pretty expensive in terms of time and money, and you still run risks of psychotic women causing you emotional trauma and in general trying to harass you.

More and more I think the absolute best thing to do is go beyond the marriage strike and ignore women entirely, until they're forced to make changes because they get no satisfaction from using shaming language as men just don't even listen to them. For now women are just finding other ways to trap men, most notably using common law marriage, and amping up rape and consent laws as a tool to force men to take care of them (extortion, which the courts will never punish the female for).

And I agree with just ignoring woman with an opinion, I just skip right past her posts right now. They're worthless and have been debunked many times. If someone wants to, just copy and paste a debunking post every once in awhile, I guarantee you her arguments don't change, so we don't need to change ours in response, and waste time writing up new responses.

Anonymous said...

Somewhere in this exchange Godwin's Law has to kick in.

Hmh said...

anon 06:42 - Laughing my arse off at your explanation of the 'gay' insult. Well put mate!

Anonymous said...

This makes me laugh - i feel sorry for you men as you have to keep telling yourselves that women are after your money, just to make yourselves feel big.

Against a false opinion, a fact:

75% of women would marry for money (see http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/relationships/article3166507.ece)

Anonymous said...

But Duncan you have forgot the step 13:

13. After all is said and done, women are still alone and men are still free.

Anonymous said...

Read this - Miss-Leading:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/03022008/news/regionalnews/miss_leading_100063.htm

Martin said...

Women don't give a shit about making marriage work. What women LOVE is all the plannig that goes into a wedding and all the attention they get leading up to the "big day"

As has correctly been mentioned there are endless "female" magazines out these that either specialise in "brides" or have some dopey bint on the cover in a wedding dress.

Can anyone think of any magazine's aimed at men that have wedding pictures on the cover? I can't.

Why any man wants ot get married amazes me.

You have to feel a bit sorry for AShley Cole, it's obvious why that bint of his married him, so he has a one nighter so what?

Men like and want sex. Something most "wives" seem to forget.

Anonymous said...

Everyone, DO NOT RESPOND TO 'WOMAN WITH AN OPINION'! She has polluted this board long enough with her fat ass. Just ignore her completely and she will go away.

Yes, I will do that. I am guilty of her polluting this board, because I am the one who answers most to her demented arguments. But you are right. I won't answer her. Reasoning with her is useless. She is a troll who only wants to pollute this blog and be a center of attention.

When you don't pay attention to these attention whores they go away. So please excuse me for my naiveté. I apologize. This is my last post about her. Please don't answer her.

Anonymous said...

Psychological projection indeed.

I've never seen a magazine called "Grooms".

I've never seen a young boy pining away about his future wedding day and dream about being married.

I've never been to a wedding reception that wasn't a complete estrogen orgy (i.e., wasn't all about HER).

I've never seen a woman wear the same clothes to her wedding that she would to her funeral. Black. Only men wear that.

After deep consideration my professional medical opinion is that women are acutely fucked in the head. Best for all males to avoid that mentally diseased creature.

Anonymous said...

I took great pride in telling him that I can make my own money, I didn't need his.

Good. Enjoy your independence, such as it is. The fact that more and more men want nothing to do with modern women should not be a problem then.

Men really over inflate women's needs of them.

Fine. Then the fact that more and more men are turning their backs on women shouldn't bother women. But apparently it does. Greatly. Hence the pickup of shaming attacks by women, calling men gay, little boys, peter pans etc... when men don't want to marry. If women didn't need men then the fact that men are increasingly turning their backs on them shouldn't bother women.

The most annoying thing in the world is when men start talking about their "possessions" upon first meeting you.

They probably do that because from direct personal EXPERIENCE men have encountered so many women who want to know what the men do for a living (and by extension the man's income and net worth). With the implication that the more money he has the better.

2 identical twin unmarried men walk into a room filled with 10 single women. One man is a gas station attendant. The other man is a self-made multi-millionaire. Which one of these men is going to pique the interest of the vast majority of the single women? Which one will the women be fighting over? Or on your planet do women not fight over access to men with high net worth.

I think that some men hide behind their material possessions because they lack self-confidence.

This coming from the 1/2 of the species that refuses to exit a house without wearing a TON of makeup to create the ILLUSION they are younger and prettier than they actually are. Yes. Men are the ones with the self confidence problem.

Woman With An Opinion said...

02 March 2008 01:24
Anonymous said...

Everyone, DO NOT RESPOND TO 'WOMAN WITH AN OPINION'! She has polluted this board long enough with her fat ass. Just ignore her completely and she will go away.

Respectfully sir,

If you or anyone else is that bothered by my comments (hoping I'll leave), that's really pathetic. I post mostly on boards about politics and religion and voices of dissent are always present to provide balance. So my advice is to get used to it because you'll face opposition a lot worse than me...could you handle opposition in life if you are so bothered by comments on a blog for crying out loud? Seriously...

johnny five said...

The trouble is, my father was courting in the sixties and married in the seventies. I honestly don't think he's aware of how much it has changed against men since he was in his twenties.

the problem is almost certainly not anachronism; the problem is most likely that your father is one of the lucky few to have a good marriage.

there are many men out there today, married to some of the few good women out there, who have no clue how bad it is, and who therefore, by no fault of their own, dispense terrible advice.

--

woman with an opinion:
The most annoying thing in the world is when men start talking about their "possessions" upon first meeting you. I think that some men hide behind their material possessions because they lack self-confidence.

although most of what WWAO posts is idiotic drivel, this statement happens to be completely true.

any man who talks about his money or material possessions, at all, in the first year after meeting a woman, deserves to have them taken from him if he's fool enough to marry. although i'm as much of a man's man as is possible, i have zero sympathy for men who bandy about their wealth and possessions and are then surprised when people (mostly women) scheme to take them away.

the more you spend on a woman, the less she will respect you. period. end of story. there are no exceptions.

Anonymous said...

I assure you the extract below is a genuine piece from an e-mail I got from a woman in Eastern Europe. At least its honest.

"But all women are creatures very concretely. And for every woman its are more interesting - how man lives every day, what he eats, how sleeps, have he friends, what likes his house, how he spend free time. And most important question is - how and how much he earns one's living and how he intends to support her and her children. You don't must to think that I have a grudge. Just I want to learn you better. Now (after some months of the correspondence) I don't feel you."


Enough said.

Hawaiian Libertarian said...

Sorry...but I gotta respond to this:

Men really over inflate women's needs of them. The most annoying thing in the world is when men start talking about their "possessions" upon first meeting you. I think that some men hide behind their material possessions because they lack self-confidence.

Proving without a doubt that most women simply have NO clue about how men really think.

Men are not "trying to hide" anymore than we are "intimidated by a strong, independent Womyn."

The reality is, men KNOW how so many women think - he has a much better chance of getting into her pants if she thinks he has a lot of material possessions.

Many guys you meet will start talking about their possessions right off the bat because a lot of them have the prior experiences of getting laid quite easily by impressing the typical, gold digging Western female with the one thing she values most in a potential sex partner: money.

Hmh said...

to Anon 06:42 - I took a while to think about your story. Thankyou for going public with this - even anonymously, on the internet, it can't have been easy to do.

My own story is a lot milder. I met a gorgeous young woman who I thought was a nice girl. I spent a gloriously happy six months with her. Then she spent the next two years running me down. Shaming language, jokes which always had me on the end (and repeated several times), blatant manipulation, committing my money endlessly to keep me broke and under control while she saved for yet another fucking overseas holiday. Just a constant barrage of psychological, emotional and sexual abuse. Arguments, bustups, makeups, the whole works.

Oh, and I fucked her for just over two years, without contraception... and somehow managed to pull out in time to never get her pregnant. (NB doing this for a couple of years will REALLY fuck up your enjoyment of sex)

Someone up there, despite everything I've done, must still like me.

Despite the fact that I got away relatively freely (no courts, no cops, no child support or broken relationships with my kids) I'm still extremely leery about getting involved again. I've learnt about how nasty it can get if you get stuck with the wrong person.

Anonymous said...

New Site to encourage future bachelors:

http://www.girlsaskguys.com/

cybro said...

You boys are missing one thing. Chicks are not interested in marriage. What they want is a big wedding followed by an even bigger divorce. Don't listen to what chics say. Pay attention to what they do. And what they do is plan big fantasy weddings, create drama, then file for divorce all at your expense. So no they are not really after your money, as woman-with-the-same-old-opinions-we-have-heard-a-million-times-before says, they just want you to pay for everything.

Anonymous said...

Woman with an opinion, I think you are right: women do not need men. You are far better off without us.

Please, do not marry. And thank you for not breeding.

Mike Hunter said...

Furthermore statistics consistently show that marriage is bad for women financially (and in terms of our physical and mental health and happiness), and good for men in all these ways.

What's the problem then?

I don't want to get married. You shouldn't want to get married because it's supposedly bad for you. So we're in agreement. We'll both stay single.

Have fun becoming a lonely old hag with 12 cats bitch.

Woman With An Opinion said...

Hawaiian Libertarian said...

"Sorry...but I gotta respond to this:

Many guys you meet will start talking about their possessions right off the bat because a lot of them have the prior experiences of getting laid quite easily by impressing the typical, gold digging Western female with the one thing she values most in a potential sex partner: money."

Granted it may be true that some women are "easy" for money (and some men if given the opportunity). But there are men who are annoyed with women who use sex to get money out of them and thus are private about their wealth (as they should be).

Anonymous said...

Woman with an opinion, I think you are right: women do not need men. You are far better off without us.

Please, do not marry. And thank you for not breeding.

05 March 2008 11:11

Correction. I think socially aware women are better off without men such as those who frequent this board but not without men in general. Optimism along with realistic expectations are attractive qualities in men. In fairness, socially aware men are better off without man-hating feminist. But thanks for trying to understand my point.

Anonymous said...

Today I was at the local bookstore checking out the science section when I noticed a prominently displayed book called, "The Female Brain". Of course it was written by a woman and had some gibberish in the subtitle like, "the enigmatic puzzle". I found it kind of offensive, in a way, that this book would be among the likes of theoretical physics or calculus books (written by men).

In a little act of civil disobediance, I reached in my pocket for a little paper and scribbled "chaos theory" on it. Then I placed this on the female brain book so passersby could see what it's about. There was dykey looking woman in the next aisle checking out the gay and lesbian section. I worried she might catch me and sue me or something, but dykey women probably don't like science.

bunner said...

http://cbs13.com/watercooler/compulisve.gambling.water.2.672913.html

I'm just a girl! This is your fault!

Anybody wanna slip a ring on this "ambitious attorney and news anchor" 's finger?

Perseus said...

As I get older, woman approach me with the same arguments about the "advantages" of marriage.
If one says "You will die old and alone", my response is "I very much hope to die old", and when it comes to dieing alone I say " I wasn't planning to take anybody with me." That stops 'em!

Woman With An Opinion said...

And most important question is - how and how much he earns one's living and how he intends to support her and her children."Eastern European Woman

Why on earth is any woman still living according to this "ancient order"? If I ever found myself in a position where I had to depend on a man to take care of me and/or children, I'd feel defeated. No offense to anyone's friends, but women should expect to HELP support a family instead of putting all the responsibility on a man's shoulders. That's my opinion respectfully submitted.

Anonymous said...

Why on earth is any woman still living according to this "ancient order"? If I ever found myself in a position where I had to depend on a man to take care of me and/or children, I'd feel defeated. No offense to anyone's friends, but women should expect to HELP support a family instead of putting all the responsibility on a man's shoulders. That's my opinion respectfully submitted.

Preach it to your sista's! While you're at it, why not protest in front of your nearest divorce court about how degrading it is to women that men are forced to pay them alimony. How dare they imply that women can't support themselves - it's an abomination to all women! I think all you women should stand together on this and let them know how insulting this "ancient order" is.

Anonymous said...

“Correction. I think socially aware women are better off without men such as those who frequent this board but not without men in general”

What “women with a question” fails to understand is that the attitude of the men who frequent this board is becoming increasingly typical among western men in general. Let’s face facts; men in general are gun shy about marriage and with good reason! Deep down she knows this but I doubt would ever admit it! (Perhaps it is different amongst her feminist male friends?)

40 plus years of hard core feminist, anti male, anti family man hating has lead to the award the average western women is reaping for this attitude. Deep down, the average female has subscribed to this philosophy; it’s just been so subliminally programmed in to her that she may be unaware of it?

I recall an article a few years back that had predicted that in about 2 decades there would likely be few, if any marriages taking place in Western countries?
Given the way things are going I’m going to guess there is good deal of truth to this! The feminists of course will be delighted; however I’m not so sure about their less hard core marriage minded sisters?

“Why on earth is any woman still living according to this "ancient order"? If I ever found myself in a position where I had to depend on a man to take care of me and/or children, I'd feel defeated”.

Oh, I don’t know? Perhaps some women love their children so much (More than their careers even?) that they would prefer to raise their kids themselves, the way nature originally intended, rather than allow some stranger in a day care to do it for them?

Anonymous said...

As I get older, woman approach me with the same arguments about the "advantages" of marriage.

LOL. I smell desperation here.

I recommend you not to argue with these women. It is impossible because they don't stick to logical arguments. They use shaming language and emotional cheap tricks only to "win" the debate. You get tired to discuss to a person with a mind of a six-year-old.

But rejoice in the fact that, even if they delude themselves thinking they have won the debate, they are still alone and you are still free.

Let them bark. They can't have your money:
75% of women would marry for money (see http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/relationships/article3166507.ece)

One more eternal bachelor implies one more bitter spinster. Priceless.

Anonymous said...

WWAO said: "If I ever found myself in a position where I had to depend on a man to take care of me and/or children, I'd feel defeated"

You are dependent on the good will of men. Society/civilization merely provides an illusion that you aren't. Take away the judicial system, government and strip away all of the privileges Western civ gives you, and you are at the mercy of men as they are stronger and better at acquiring what you need to survive and also able to take what they want from you. Unless you weigh 300 lbs.

-Mandy

ex-boyfriend said...

I just want to see every man in the western world give up on marriage. The more I find other guy saying no to tying the knot (or at least not with out a prenup), the more hope I have for this civilization.

While we're on the subject, I gotta give a word of respect to Tom Leykis, Kanye West and any other celebrities attacking the institution of marriage.

That house of straw is finally begining to catch fire.

Burn, baby, burn.

Woman With An Opinion said...

"What “women with a question” fails to understand is that the attitude of the men who frequent this board is becoming increasingly typical among western men in general. Let’s face facts; men in general are gun shy about marriage and with good reason! Deep down she knows this but I doubt would ever admit it! (Perhaps it is different amongst her feminist male friends?)"

Of course men are shy about marriage. I don't blame them. If you cut to the chase, women are shy about it as well. It just so happens that most people still want it. Not everyone is ruled by fear. Why are you?

"Oh, I don’t know? Perhaps some women love their children so much (More than their careers even?) that they would prefer to raise their kids themselves, the way nature originally intended, rather than allow some stranger in a day care to do it for them?"

It would be wonderful if women could stay home and raise children. But your rush to argue disregards the reality among most people. Most simply cannot afford to live on just one income (especially not in large metro areas)...thus, a woman should be out working to help bring money into the home (instead of expecting a man to take care of everything). You must be rich so you wouldn't understand that. But since you alluded to women "loving their children" and staying home to raise them, would you also agree that single mothers should stay home, not work, and let working tax payers foot the bill? All so they could love their children more than a career? According to your argument, that would make sense. According to mine, it's pathetic.

Anonymous said...

"You must be rich so you wouldn't understand that. But since you alluded to women "loving their children" and staying home to raise them, would you also agree that single mothers should stay home, not work, and let working tax payers foot the bill? All so they could love their children more than a career? According to your argument, that would make sense. According to mine, it's pathetic".

As usual, your counter arguments are weak and ineffective, and yes, “pathetic” as you would say!

Wealth has nothing to do with anything, the average family of the 1950s was by no stretch of the imagination wealthy, yet women raised their own children, how could that be? Well first off, the average family was less greedy and materialistic; they did not have to live in a brand new house, in a brand new neighborhood. They did not have to drive around in brand SUVs or sports cars, society was far less credit oriented and if you did not have the money to buy something, you waited until you had it!

I would not agree that single mothers should be taken care of by the tax payer!

Your original argument was in reference to a couple with a child, not single mothers!
Pull your head out of your bum and get your facts straight!

Anonymous said...

Woman with a moronic opinion,

I have a grand suggestion!

Why doesn’t your fat, bloated, arse dry up and blow off in the wind!

Anonymous said...

I’ll bet woman with an opinion is “happily single.”

Of course she does not need any man to define who she is and get in the way her being her own woman! And of course, men and children, well that could interfere with a girls career and we can’t have that now can we! (You go girl! as the carpet munching sisterhood would say!)

Just her and her cats and an apartment full of scorn and resentment. Perhaps some posters of men that her and man hating friends throw darts at to pass the time whilst discussing the lack of good available men?

Woman Among Polar Bears said...

Pull your head out of your bum and get your facts straight!

aaauuuggghh that hurts...

Woman with a moronic opinion,

I have a grand suggestion!

Why doesn’t your fat, bloated, arse dry up and blow off in the wind!

oooohhhhh! You men are so mean, I'm crying now... sighhh

"I’ll bet woman with an opinion is “happily single.”

No actually I'm not happily single but happily unmarried. There's a difference

Of course she does not need any man to define who she is and get in the way her being her own woman! And of course, men and children, well that could interfere with a girls career and we can’t have that now can we! (You go girl! as the carpet munching sisterhood would say!)

I have no carpet munchers among my sisters and friends. I think they'd prefer those long ice pops you get in the summer.

"Just her and her cats"

I prefer dogs but who are you addressing here?

and an apartment full of scorn and resentment. Perhaps some posters of men that her and man hating friends throw darts at to pass the time whilst discussing the lack of good available men?

Nahhh, maybe not darts. Knives are more like it.

I guess a woman with an opinion just cant please anybody.

Anonymous said...

I went to Woman with an opinions website.

I was a bit surprised as there were many biblical scriptures cited there?

Her views seem to be rather left from what I can see? I am no biblical scholar, but from what I have read of the bible, it would be pretty hard to interpret as anything but conservative in philosophy.

I am not challenging anyones beliefs, but to me it seems that christianity would be in stark contrast with left leaning views?

Woman With An Opinion said...

"I went to Woman with an opinions website.

I was a bit surprised as there were many biblical scriptures cited there?

Her views seem to be rather left from what I can see? I am no biblical scholar, but from what I have read of the bible, it would be pretty hard to interpret as anything but conservative in philosophy.

I am not challenging anyones beliefs, but to me it seems that christianity would be in stark contrast with left leaning views?"

I think it depends on the view. It is my humble opinion that the right do not have the market cornered on Christianity. I am actually quite conservative (socially) on many issues, liberal on others (war, immigration, etc), center on most.